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Well, we experimented with letting the hens set on eggs and hatch them, and all in all we did pretty good. Hard to say exactly on some of them, think they had just as good of hatches as me, and maybe better for some. The geese for sure. But we also had some real issues pop up that we are going to have to deal with and prepare for next year.

First is where are we going to have the hens set on their eggs? We had the geese set in a corner of the coop and then a Narragansett tried to make her nest in the same spot. That resulted in the geese standing on her eggs during the night, and getting poop all over them. She never did set on any of the eggs. Not a good thing. In the peacock cage we had Edith make a nest on one side and the Narragansett make one on the other side. Eventually the Narr. Would move over to Edith’s nest and lay her eggs there, then she finally just tried to sit on the nest with her. In the end I pulled the Narragansett out of the cage and gave her 4 poults from the incubator. One Narragansett hen set on eggs out in the tall grass in the front yard and hatched 7, including 1 chicken. Finally, Redd made a nest out in the Black Berries and set on maybe a dozen eggs.

The next problem we had was keeping track of how many eggs were under each hen, and preventing others from getting in and laying additional ones. I tried to mark some of them, especially when I could watch them lay the eggs and wait for them to set on them. I didn’t so much have a problem with more than one hen laying in the same nest, in fact it helps build the number of eggs in the nest faster. The problem comes when one of the hens finally decides to set, how do you keep the others from continuing to lay there?

And the last major problem we had was what to do with the mother and babies after they hatch? The natural instinct is to take the babies into the brush or grass and hide. And I didn’t think the moms were up to that, and I didn’t trust them or the wild animals around here with that. So I put her in a cage, but the babies kept getting out. So I ended up letting her roam free. Cost me 2 of her babies some where. When the Narragansett hatched in the front yard, she started taking them to the woods, so I put her in the cage, where she still is. She started with 7, the dogs “played with one during the night and she had 6. Then the other night we lost 2 more. They looked like they were trampled in the cage. Think Nikita was loose that night and may have harassed mom in the cage, or something else came around and scared her. So she is down to 4, and one of them is a chicken, go figure. Redd hatched out at least 7 that I counted, but she also had that many dead babies under her, several looked like they were half out of the egg. Then the white rooster got in the yard and chased her all over, and I think she lost some of the babies. When I went out tonight and looked she only had 4. So now we have to decide what to do with her and the babies and how to protect them best we can. I’m thinking about letting the Narragansett out with her 4 babies, they are a little bigger now and they should be ok, and putting Redd in the cage until hers get bigger.

What I have learned this year is that you can only have one hen in a small cage, either in the peacock enclosure or in the small cage I built. They will share nests when one of them is setting and after the babies hatch one will bully the other. And they don’t like to be caged after they the babies hatch. The babies don’t stay near mom. And I still worry about the babies getting enough to eat and drink, and have no way of controlling or making sure they get the game starter they need. The other thing that concerns us is there is no way of really securing mom and her babies for the night. So what do we do?

Ideally each hen would have their own space. Don’t think that is going to happen. I also need to separate the different birds, so the geese, chickens, ducks and turkeys each get their own living space. So we make pens of some sort and put 1 Tom and 2 hens in each one. When one of them shows a willingness to set try to remover her and out her on eggs in another space. When the second hen begins to set I can remove the Tom. If the spaces are planned right, the hen can just stay there with her babies until they grow some. Just need to think about how big the enclosures or what ever need to be. Obviously need to be tall enough for the Tom to get on a hen and partially covered to protect from weather. Both Redd and the Narragansett set on eggs out in the open with minimal protection, through storms and rain and such, so it can be done, but prefer not to force the issue. Have to think about it.

 
Well, it’s been a while since I wrote, so let me update a few things. Redd is still sitting on the eggs in the bushes and last I checked she was doing good. She has too many eggs for me to count without making a big scene, so I’m just leaving them alone. The other two nests have been destroyed. Something started eating the eggs, and I took most of them out and put in the incubator.

The Narragansett sitting on eggs in the front yard managed to hatch about 7 of them. Bear got one of them, so there are only 6 left. She was leading them around the yard and into the woods and such, so we took them and put them in the large cage I built a couple of years ago. Put it out in the field.

The Narragansett hen in the peacock cage was laying eggs and pushing Edith off the nest. Well and first there were 2 nests, as I’d planned. But then she started jumping nests and pushing Edith off, and leaving eggs uncovered. So I took her out one night and gave her 4 chicks that had just hatched. At first I put her in the cage with the other hen, but they fought, too. So I let her out. I was checking to see if she would abandon the babies, since they were kind of foster kids. She took off for a few minutes and then came back. So I just let her run with her babies. I tried to pen her in, but the wires let the babies thru but not mom. And these babies have no intention of sticking near to mom. Tried putting her in the chicken yard, but she managed to get out. So just left well enough alone. She started with 4 chicks and is now down to just 2. Not sure what happened to the others, think they wandered away to check things out, and they got separated.

Edith had 5 eggs under her and one of them hatched this weekend. So she has 1 chick, and 4 eggs. Not sure how long to wait on the other eggs, and I’m not sure if they will hatch either. And I’m not sure what to do with them, because the peacocks don’t seem to like the babies, and don’t think that she could protect the babies from the peacocks. I’m thinking about taking the chick and putting it with the ones from the incubator and seeing if the eggs are dead. Archie and Edith need to stay in the peacock cage. The big chickens will not accept them, especially the roosters. So they are destined to be confined with the peacocks. Not sure why the peacocks have accepted them other than they grew up together.

And these are the problems we’ve had with getting hens to sit on eggs. Had it with the geese to an extent. First, where do you put the hen to sit on the eggs so the others won’t bother her or try to lay eggs in her nest or force her off the eggs? And it isn’t that easy do control. I didn’t try moving a hen this year, but last year it was all but impossible to move them. One of the things I did was allow them to sit on the eggs in the trees or in the front yard. It also helps that we have dogs we can let run every night. Until we get them trained better just leaving them with the birds all the time is out of the question.

So even after you get them to sit on the eggs, the next question is what do you do with them after they hatch? Where do you put mom and babies so that she can raise them? The other requirements are that the babies get feed and water. That isn’t the same as getting it for mom. And if you are setting out chick starter for the babies, you have to keep everyone else out of it. Not concerned if mom eats it, she probably needs it after setting for so long. For the geese, we just left them in the coop. But the geese are bigger and a lot more aggressive and I worried less about others bullying them. For the turkeys, the one in the front yard I let wander until she started going into the woods a lot. Guess I should have expected that, and it is natural, but we just are not prepared to allow her to just wander around in the woods. Getting fences around the perimeter should help in that. But still, mom can fly over just about any fence I put up. The problem comes when the babies can’t follow, or don’t follow.

So end result is I have one hen caged, and she has 6 chicks. One keeps getting out and I have to put it back. Not sure where it gets out either. She lost 1 chick, to the pups. I have the other hen running free, and she has 2 of 4 chicks left.

This year I have tried to use the “Dry Incubation” method, but the hatch rates have been really bad. Not sure what the problems are. I do know that I have issues with temperature control. To start with, I’m not sure I trust my thermometers. They are digital and seems to be a difference in them some times. Not sure how much of it is that temps vary by height in the still air incubators. But then again I haven’t had really great hatch rates from the forced air incubator either. Not sure how to calibrate the thermometers, or if I should have a thermometer in each incubator or just use one and move it from one to the next. Also, next year plan to use incubator #2 as the hatcher. It has a plastic tray on the bottom and about twice as much head room for the chicks. So will be better. Also, Next year I plan to put eggs in the incubators twice a week instead of just once. I have noticed that the eggs that are hatching the most are those put in the incubator within a day or two of being laid. So I’ll try that. They other thing I could do is find a better way to store the eggs between the time they are laid and the time they go in the incubator. Some place cooler than the house. My closet has the incubators in it, so that isn’t good. Not sure if Gavin’s closet would be any cooler. I’d like to put them under the house if I could figure out a way to accomplish that.

There are a few eggs in the incubator need to throw out, and then 2 more incubators full of eggs. Then that will be the end of the hatching season for this year.

In the garden, things are doing good. A week or so ago I planted a lot of corn. Sweet corn in the garden and field corn out by the birds. The field corn isn’t fenced in so not sure how well it will do, but figured it was worth trying. I’ll let it dry and then use it to feed to the birds. May have to pick it to protect from the deer and the raccoons and finish drying it inside, but we’ll see. Yesterday I planted watermelon and pumpkins. Need to plant more cantaloupes and such. Have lots of tomatoes planted, and herbs. Lots of basil, 2 different types; oregano; tarragon and rose mary. Saw some spicy basil and Thai basil at Wal-Mart the other day that I think I’d like to try. I also put out a cabbage plants I’d started, and some plants I had at school. Also have several beds of potatoes. Squash is also doing good. Have several Zucchini and at least one Acorn squash.

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